Is the quotient of a normal subgroup necessarily normal?

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Let $N,M$ be normal subgroups of $G$.

Is it necessarily true that $M/N$ is normal in $G/N$?

The third isomorphism says the converse to be true, namely that if a group in $G/N$ is normal, then it is of the form $M/N$ for some normal subgroup $M$ of $G$.


My attempt at proving this as true:

  • $G/N$ consists of cosets of $N$. i.e. a group element looks like $gN$ for $g \in G$.

  • $M/N$ consists of cosets of $N$. i.e. a group element looks like $mN$ for $m \in M$.

  • $M/N$ as a set may be expressed as $\{mN : m \in M\}$
  • If we conjugate everything in $M/N$ by something in $G/N$ we get $\{gN \cdot mN : m \in M\} = \{g^{-1}mgN : m \in M\} = \{mN : m \in M\}$

Is this correct? I feel it is, but I'm suspicious due to the fact that this isn't listed in the isomorphism theorems on Wikipedia...

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Suppose $N$ and $M$ are normal subgroups of $G$. If $N \subseteq M$, it's easy to see that $M/N$ is a normal subgroup of $G/N$. But you are not assuming $N \subseteq M$, so this is just a special case.

Do not assume that $N \subseteq M$. Let $H = NM = \{ nm : n \in N, m \in M \}$. Note that $H = MN$. Since $N$ and $M$ are both normal subgroups of $G$, so is $H$.

The set $M/N$ of cosets $mN : m \in M$ is a subgroup of $G/N$. It is equal to $H/N$, which is normal in $G/N$ by the special case mentioned above. So $M/N$ is normal in $G/N$ even if $N \not\subseteq M$.

Another way: This is basically what you did in your post, I'm just going to state it in a different way. If $\pi: G \rightarrow G'$ is a surjective group homomorphism, and $M$ is normal in $G$, then $\pi(M)$ is a normal subgroup of $G'$. Again pretty much the same as your case: if $N = \textrm{Ker}(\pi)$, then you can identify $G'$ with $G/N$ via the first isomorphism theorem, under which $\pi(M)$ gets identified with $M/N$.

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Let $gN \in G/N$ and $hN \in M/N$.

In particular, $g \in G$ and $h \in M$.

So, $ghg^{-1} \in M$.

Then, $(gN)(hN)(gN)^{-1} = (ghg^{-1})N \in M/N$.

Therefore, $M/N$ is normal in $G/N$.


The third isomorphism theorem states that for $N \le M \le G$ with $N$ and $M$ being normal subgroups of $G$, then:

  1. $M/N$ is normal in $G/N$.
  2. $(G/N)/(M/N) \cong G/M$

So in fact this is part of the third isomorphism theorem itself, not its converse.