Peano axioms without identity and function symbols

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Can the first-order Peano axioms be reformulated without identity and without function symbols? I tried doing this by characterizing one of the following relations axiomatically, but end up with unintended models (see here for the meaning of these terms):

succeeds

  1. irreflexive
  2. left-total
  3. not right-total (zero)
  4. discrete: $\forall x y (Rxy \to \neg \exists z (Rxz \land Rzy))$
  5. ...

less-than

  1. irreflexive
  2. left-total
  3. not right-total (zero)
  4. transitive
  5. ...

less-than-or-equal-to

  1. reflexive
  2. transitive
  3. strongly connex
  4. ...

Left- and right- uniqueness cannot be axiomatized as usual due to the lack of identity. (Left-totality + right-uniqueness + left-uniqueness + non-right-totality would suffice for the succeeds relation.)

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No. By the upward Lowenheim-Skolem-Tarski theorem, there will always be models of higher cardinality once one can show the existence of an infinite model. So one can't zero in on the intended model $\mathbb{N}$ exactly with a first-order theory. Hence the necessity for a second-order axiom like the induction axiom.

Another problem is that without function symbols, the Herbrand Universe is finite. So there might be problems assuring that the models are all infinite.