Permutation of n numbers where the first ascent occurs at $k^{th}$ position

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QUESTION: Let $π = π_1π_2......π_n$ be a permutation of the numbers $1,2,3,...,n.$ We say $π$ has its first ascent at position $k < n$ if $π_1 > π_2... > π_k$ and $π_k < π_{k+1}.$ If $π_1 > π_2 > ... > π_{n−1} > π_n$ we say $π$ has its first ascent in position $n.$ For example when $n = 4$ the permutation $2134$ of has its first ascent at position $2$. The number of permutations which have their first ascent at position $k$ is .......


MY APPROACH: This is what I thought. First let us choose $k$ numbers from $n$ numbers. Now, we can arrange those $k$ numbers in a descending order in just $1$ way. Now the remaining $(n-k)$ numbers can be arranged in any way in $(n-k)!$ ways. So total number of ways are- $$\binom{n}k(n-k)!$$

Now, we need to exclude those ways in which the $(k+1)^{th}$ element is less than the $k^{th}$ element (or else the first ascent as defined by the question, does not occur at position $k$). To do this, we need the number of numbers from $(n-k)$ numbers which are greater than the $k^{th}$ number.

Suppose that we have $i$ numbers which are greater than the $k^{th}$ number.. Then we can fill up the $(k+1)^{th}$ place in $i$ ways and the remaining $\big(n-(k+1)\bigl)$ places in $$\bigl(n-k-1\bigl)!\space ways$$ So we can arrive at a concluding answer. But the problem here is, how do I find that $i$, i.e. the number of numbers that are greater than the $k^{th}$ number.

Also, we observe that if we choose $k$ to be the last numbers from $n$ numbers then there is no such $i$ possible. For example, say we have the series $$1,2,3,.....,9$$ and we are asked to pick $k=4$ numbers from here. And if we pick $$6,7,8,9$$ then all the remaining numbers are less than 6 and therefore, it is impossible to have any first ascent at position $k$. Therefore we may conclude that we cannot choose k to be the last numbers from $n$. So we have got another constraint to take care of.

The answer given for this question is- $$\binom{n}k(n-k)!-\binom{n}{k+1}(n-k-1)!$$

How is this possible to do?

Any help or suggestion or some other smarter way to think about this sum will be much appreciated.

Thank you so much.

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You were doing fine. You missed the following:

So you fix the first $k$ and there are $\binom{n}{k}$ ways to do this but then you do not know what happens to the next one. The deal is that you just have two possibilities, either $\pi _k<\pi _{k+1}$ or the opposite $\pi _k>\pi _{k+1}$ Notice that if the latter happens(This is exactly what you dont want) then you will have the chain $\pi _1>\cdots >\pi _k>\pi _{k+1}$ without paying any attention of what happens next.

By your analysis, this can be done in $$\binom{n}{k+1}(n-(k+1))!$$ and so from the whole possibilities, that you computed, you want to take the above scenario out, ending in the formula $$\binom{n}{k}(n-k)!-\binom{n}{k+1}(n-k-1)!$$