$R(p,q)\leq R(R(p − 1, q; r),R(p, q − 1; r); r − 1) + 1.$ it possible to prove? is true?

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Has anyone seen this inequality of Ramsey's numbers? where? or is it possible to prove?, I found it in some notes and I don't know if it's true

$$R(p,q)\leq R(R(p − 1, q; r),R(p, q − 1; r); r − 1) + 1.$$

I know some properties like

$1- R(q_1, q_2, \ldots, q_k; 1) = q_1 + q_2 + \cdots + q_k − k + 1$

$2- R(p, r; r) = R(r, p; r) = p$

$3- R(p, q)\leq (p − 1, q) + R(p, q − 1)$

but the first inequality I don't know if it's true

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Two corrections :

  1. Property 3 should read $$R(p,q)\leq R(p-1,q)+R(p,q-1)$$
  2. I think you want to prove that $$R(p,q;r)\leq R(R(p − 1, q; r),R(p, q − 1; r); r − 1) + 1.$$ Whitout this $r$ the results is obvious by monotonicity over $r$.

If I'm correct, lets proceed.

Define $p_1 = R(p − 1, q; r)$ and $q_1 = R(p, q − 1; r)$. Let S be a set with $n$ elements, where $n=R(p_1, q_1; r − 1)+1$, and color the $r$-subsets of $S$ with two colors, say red and blue. For simplicity, assume $S=\{1,\ldots,n\}$.

We want to prove that $S$ must include either a $p$-subsets whose all $r$-subsets are red, or a $q$-subsets whose all $r$-subsets are blue.

Let $S'=S\setminus\{n\}=\{1,\ldots,n-1\}$. We define a coloring of the $(r − 1)$-subsets of $S'$ by giving $X \subseteq S'$ the same color as $X \cup \{n\}$.

By hypothesis $$\vert S'\vert=n-1=R(p_1, q_1; r − 1)$$ hence $S'$ either contains a subset $A$ of size $p_1$ such that all its $(r − 1)$-subsets are red or a subset $B$ of size $q_1$ such that all its $(r − 1)$-subsets are colored blue.

Without loss of generality, suppose that the first situation occurs. Since $A$ has $R(p − 1, q; r)$ elements, there are two possibilities.

  1. $A$ has a subset of $q$ elements with all its $r$-subsets blue, in which case we are done.
  2. $A$ has a subset $A'$ of $p − 1$ elements with all its $r$-subsets red. Therefore because $A'\subseteq A$, we know that all $(r − 1)$-subsets and all $r$-subsets of $A'$ are red. Combining this two properties by definition of the coloring on $S'$ from the coloring on $S$, the set $A'\cup \{n\}$ of size $p$ with all $(r)$-subsets red.

Hence $n\geq R(p,q;r)$