This is a natural follow-up to my previous question, here: Examples of two finite magmas which satisfy the same equations but not the same quasi-equations?. In the answer to that question, Keith Kearnes said that any two magmas on $\{0,1\}$ that satisfy the same equations are isomorphic. My question now is, is there a finite set $S$ and two binary operations $+$ and $*$ on $S$ such that the magmas $(S;+)$ and $(S;*)$ satisfy the same equations and also the same quasi-equations, but such that they are not elementarily equivalent, i.e, they do not have the same first-order theory? And if so, what is the smallest possible cardinality of $S$? It has to be at least $3$, that is for sure. If the exact answer is unknown, I would like to know very good upper and lower bounds.
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Smallest possible cardinality of finite set with two non-elementarily equivalent magmas which satisfy the same quasi-equations?
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There are two magmas (in fact semilattices) of order $3$ which satisfy the same quasi-identities (universal Horn sentences) but are not elementarily equivalent. Namely, let $A=\{1,2,3\}$ and $B=\{1,2,4\}$, both with the operation $x*y=\gcd(x,y)$. They satisfy the same quasi-identities because $A$ and $B$ are isomorphic to subalgebras of $C\times C$ where $C=\{1,2\}=A\cap B$. They are not elementarily equivalent because the sentence $\forall x\forall y(x*y=x\lor x*y=y)$ holds in $B$ but not in $A$.
The magma $B=(\{1,2,4\};*)$ is isomorphic to the magma $B'=(\{1,2,3\};\circ)$ where $x\circ y=\min(x,y)$.