Can we use forcing techniques to force the set of elements of the real line to be countable? If not can anyone show why it is not possible?
2026-03-29 15:32:50.1774798370
Use of forcing to real line to make elements countable
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No and yes.
It is a theorem (of ZF) that $\mathbb{R}$ is an uncountable set. Since forcing produces new models of ZF(C) from old ones, you cannot use forcing to produce models in which theorems of ZF(C) are false.
However...
Starting with a model $V$ of (a sufficiently large fragment of) ZFC, there is a set $\mathbb{R}^V$ in $V$ which corresponds to $V$'s version of the real numbers. You can force to construct a new model $V^* \supseteq V$ of ZFC such that $$V^* \models \text{"} \mathbb{R}^V \text{ is countable."}$$ Again, $V^*$'s version of the real numbers will still be an uncountable set from $V^*$'s perspective.