Orders of isogenous curves over the algebraic closure

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Let $E/k$ and $E'/k$ be isogenous over $k$.

We know:

  • $E$ and $E'$ are isogenous if and only if $\# E(k) = \# E'(k)$ [Ex V.5.4, Sil86].
  • Any non-constant morphism of curves is surjective [Thm. II.2.3, Sil86].
  • The kernel of an isogeny can have more that one points in it, which means that the map may not be injective.

First, I didn't understand how $E$ and $E'$ have same number of points, but the isogeny between them is surjective and not injective.

In this thread, it's made clear with the answer

Surjective means here surjective from $E(\bar k)$ to $E′(\bar k)$ where $\bar k$ is the algebraic closure of $k$.

Does this mean that if $E/k$ and $E'/k$ are isogenous over $k$, the orders of $E(\bar k)$ and $E'(\bar k)$ might not be equal and the first one may be larger than the second?

PS: I'm not from math background and I humbly try to learn about isogenies.

[Sil86] Silverman, Joseph H., The arithmetic of elliptic curves, Graduate Texts in Mathematics, 106. New York etc.: Springer-Verlag. XII, 400 p. DM 148.00 (1986). ZBL0585.14026.