Why is well order defined like that?

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a well ordered set is a partially ordered set where every subset has a first element, but why not just say "every pair of elements in the set has a first element?" is there a more general reason to do it like this?

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There's two questions here:

  • Why doesn't your definition work?

  • Why should you care about the given definition? That is, why is the notion "well-order" useful?

I'll answer the first one first, since it's a bit easier: in any linear order (also called total order), every pair has a least element. Similarly for finite subsets - this is because in a linear order, any two elements are comparable.

An example of a linear order which is not a well-order might help at this point: let $L$ be the integers (positive and negative), ordered in the usual way. Then the set $\{$negatives$\}$ does not have a least element! So $L$ is not a well-order.


In terms of motivating well-orders in the first place: basically, they're the things that let us do induction.

Exercise. If $L$ is a linear order, then the following are equivalent: $(a)$ $L$ is a well-order. $(b)$ If $A\subseteq L$ satisfies $$\forall x\in L[(\forall y\in L(y<x\implies y\in A))\implies x\in A],$$ then $A=L$.

You should check that $(b)$ is equivalent to the usual statement of induction in case $L=\mathbb{N}$.

To motivate this exercise, take $L=\mathbb{Z}$ as above, and look at $A=\emptyset$. Does $A$ satisfy the hypothesis of part $(b)$? Why or why not?

So we can recast the question

"Why do we care about well-orderings?"

as

"Why do we need induction arguments on things more complicated than the natural numbers?"

This gets a bit technical, but there are lots of times in mathematics when we need transfinite induction. Some examples:


$^*$Do I really mean "require?" And if so, what does that even mean? This is a question for another context, but it can be made very precise - look up reverse mathematics or proof-theoretic ordinals if you are interested.