non-isosceles triangles with vertices in a 20-sided regular polygon.

Question

Suppose $A_1A_2 . . . A_{20}$ is a $20-$sided regular polygon.

How many non-isosceles (scalene) triangles can be formed whose vertices are among the vertices of the polygon but whose sides are not the sides of the polygon?

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Answer 1

Total number of $\triangle = $no. of $\triangle$ with no side common $+$ no. of $\triangle$ with one side common $+$ no. of $\triangle$ with two sides are common

$\bullet\;$ Triangle with one side common $\displaystyle = \binom{n-4}{1} \times n$

$\bullet\;$ Triangle with two sides are common $\displaystyle = n$

So no. of $\triangle$ with no side common $$ = \binom{n}{3}-n(n-4)-n$$

Put $n=20$

Answer 2

We will show that the number of non-isosceles (scalene) triangles that can be formed whose vertices are among the vertices of a regular polygon of $n$ sides but whose sides are not the sides of the polygon is $$2n\left(\left[\frac{n-7}{2}\right] + \left[\frac{n-10}{2}\right]+\cdots \right)$$ where $[\cdot]$ is the greatest integer function. In particular, when $n=20$, there are $$40\left(\left[\frac{13}{2}\right] + \left[\frac{10}{2}\right]+ \left[\frac{7}{2}\right]+\left[\frac{4}{2}\right] \right) = 640$$ triangles.

We start with counting the number of triples $(d_1, d_2, d_3)$ such $2 \leq d_1 < d_2 < d_3$ and $d_1+d_2 +d_3 = n$. Putting $x_i = d_i-1$, we need the number of solutions $(x_1, x_2, x_3)$ such that $x_1 < x_2 < x_3$ and $x_1 + x_2 + x_3 = n-3$.

For any positive integers $N, p$ let $Q(N,p)$ denote the number of solutions to $$x_1 + x_2 + x_3+ \cdots +x_p = N$$ with $x_1 < x_2 < x_3 < \cdots < x_p$ and $P(N,p)$ denote the number of solutions to $$x_1 + x_2 + x_3+ \cdots +x_p = N$$ with $x_1 \leq x_2 \leq x_3 \leq \cdots \leq x_p$. We can call these solutions as distinct $p$ partitions of $N$ and $p$ partitions of $N$ respectively.

If $(x_1, x_2, \ldots, x_p)$ is a distinct $p$ partition of $N$, then $(x_1, x_2-1, x_3-2, \ldots, x_p-(p-1))$ is a $p$ partition of $N - \frac{1}{2}p(p-1)$ and similarly if $(y_1, y_2, \ldots, y_p)$ is a $p$ partition of $N - \frac{1}{2}p(p-1)$, then $(y_1, y_2+1, \ldots, y_p+(p-1))$ is a distinct $p$ partition of $N$. Hence we have

$$Q(N,p) = P\left(N-\frac{1}{2}p(p-1), p\right)$$

Again, if $(x_1, x_2, \ldots, x_p)$ is a $p$ partition of $N$, then $(x_1-1, x_2-1, \ldots, x_p-1)$ is a partition of $N-p$ with at most $p$ parts. Thus $$P(N,p) = P(N-p, 1) + P(N-p, 2) + \cdots + P(N-p, p)$$

Replacing $N$ by $N-1$ and $p$ by $p-1$ we get $$P(N-1,p-1) = P(N-p, 1) + P(N-p, 2) + \cdots + P(N-p, p-1)$$ Hence

$$P(N,p) = P(N-p, p) + P(N-1, p-1)$$ We need $Q(n-3, 3)$. Noting that $P(m,2) = \left[\frac{m}{2}\right]$ for any positive integer $m$, we have \begin{align*} Q(n-3,3) &= P(n-6, 3) \\ &= P(n-9,3) + P(n-7, 2) \\ &= P(n-9, 3) + \left[\frac{n-7}{2}\right] \\ &= P(n-12, 3) + P(n-10, 2) + \left[\frac{n-7}{2}\right] \\ &= P(n-12, 3) + \left[\frac{n-10}{2}\right] + \left[\frac{n-7}{2}\right] \end{align*}

Hence we have $$Q(n-3, 3) = \left[\frac{n-7}{2}\right] + \left[\frac{n-10}{2}\right]+\cdots $$

For any distinct 3 partition $(d_1, d_2, d_3)$ of $n-3$ we obtain two non isosceles triangles with one of the vertices as $A_i$: $(A_i, A_{i+d_1}, A_{i+d_1+d_2}$ and $(A_i, A_{i-d_1}, A_{i-d_1-d_2})$ where all additions and subtractions are modulo $n$ and the vertices are named as $A_0, A_1, \ldots, A_{n-1}$. Hence the number of distinct triangles is $$2n\left(\left[\frac{n-7}{2}\right] + \left[\frac{n-10}{2}\right]+\cdots \right)$$

Updated on 5 December 2016:

Is it possible to find a closed form for $$Q(n-3, 3) = \left[\frac{n-7}{2}\right] + \left[\frac{n-10}{2}\right]+\cdots $$ Yes, one can obtain the following: \begin{equation} Q(n-3,3)= \begin{cases} \frac{1}{12}(n-6)^2, &\text{if $n = 0\mod 6$;}\\ \frac{1}{12}((n-6)^2-1), &\text{if $n = 1\mod 6$;}\\ \frac{1}{12}((n-6)^2-4), &\text{if $n = 2\mod 6$;}\\ \frac{1}{12}((n-6)^2+3), &\text{if $n = 3\mod 6$;}\\ \frac{1}{12}((n-6)^2-4), &\text{if $n = 4\mod 6$;}\\ \frac{1}{12}((n-6)^2-1), &\text{if $n = 5\mod 6$;} \end{cases} \end{equation} How does one get the above forms?

Suppose that $n = 0\mod 6$. Now, compute the values of $Q(n-3,3)$ for some initial values, say $12, 18, 24, 30, 36, \ldots$. These are respectively $3, 12, 27, 48, 75, \ldots$. We use the Newton's interpolation formula. Given values $$ \begin{array}{ccccc} x_0 & x_1 & x_2 & x_3 & \cdots \\ f(x_0) & f(x_1) & f(x_2) & f(x_3) & \ldots \end{array} $$ \end{center} with $x_{i+1} - x_i = h$ for all $i$, we have, by Newton's formula $$f(x_0+th) = f(x_0) + \frac{t}{1!}\Delta f(x_0) + \frac{t(t-1)}{2!}\Delta^2 f(x_0) + \cdots $$ where $\Delta f(a) = f(a+h) - f(a)$ is the finite difference of $f$ at $x=a$.\ Consider the following difference table $$\begin{array}{cccc} n & Q(n-3,3) & \Delta & \Delta^2\\ 12 & 3 & & \\ 18 & 12 & 9 & \\ 24 & 27 & 15 & 6 \\ 30 & 48 & 21 & 6 \\ 36 & 75 & 27 & 6 \\ 42 & 108 & 33 & 6 \end{array} $$ Noting the second difference is a constant, writing $f(n) = Q(n-3,3)$ we obtain \begin{align*} f(n) =& f\left(12 + \frac{n-12}{6} \times 6\right) \\&= f(12) + \frac{\frac{n-12}{6}}{1!}\Delta f(12) + \frac{\frac{n-12}{6} \cdot \frac{n-18}{6}}{2!}\Delta^2 f(12) \\ &= 3 + \frac{9}{6}(n-12) + \frac{1}{12}(n-12)(n-18) \\ &= \frac{1}{12}(n-6)^2 \end{align*} Other expressions can be similarly obtained.

Answer 3

Given a regular polygon of $2n$ sides, start by counting all the distinct triangles that can be formed from the vertices of a $2n$-gon: $ \binom{2n}{3}. $ Then eliminate the ones that don't belong to the set by counting these disjoint sets of triangles:

• Isoceles triangles. There are $n - 1$ different possible lengths for each of the equal sides, and $2n$ possible placements of the vertex between those sides, so $2n(n-1)$ such triangles if $n$ is not a multiple of $3$. (If $n=3k$ then the preceding procedure counts each equilateral triangle three times and we must remove the duplicates. Compare this answer.)
• Triangles with exactly one side on the $2n$-gon. Note that no such triangle can be isoceles. There are $2n$ ways to choose the side on the $2n$-gon, and the third vertex can be any of the $2n-4$ points not adjacent to the vertices of the common side, so there are $2n(2n-4)$ such triangles.

There is no need for a third set of triangles consisting of those that share two sides in common with the $2n$-gon; those were included among the isoceles triangles.

The total number of triangles in all three excluded sets is $2n(n - 1) + 2n(2n-4) = 2n(3n-5)$. So the total number of scalene triangles not sharing a side with the $2n$-gon is $$ \binom{2n}{3} - 2n(3n-5). $$

Setting $2n = 20$, we have $$\binom{2n}{3} - 2n(3n-5) = \binom{20}{3} - 20(25) = 1140 - 500 = 640.$$

Answer 4

We first count all nondegenerate triangles containing no edge $A_iA_{i+1}$, and then subtract the isosceles triangles among these.

Put the first vertex $v_1$ at $A_0=A_{20}$. If you put $v_2$ at $A_2$ or $A_{18}$ then there are $15$ allowed $A_i$ left for $v_3$. If you put $v_2$ at an $A_i$ with $3\leq i\leq 17$ then there are $2\cdot 3=6$ forbidden $A_i$ for $v_3$. It follows that you can choose $(v_1,v_2,v_3)$ in $$20\cdot2\cdot 15+20\cdot 15\cdot 14=4800$$ ways, giving rise to ${1\over6}\cdot4800=800$ different triangles.

The tip of an isoscles triangle can be chosen in $20$ ways, and then the base in $8$ ways. Since there is no equilateral triangle possible it follows that there are $160$ isosceles triangles.

The total number of admissible triangles therefore is $640$.

Answer 5

Let $a<b<c$ be the "sidelengths" of the triangle. The given conditions then enforce $$a=2+x_1,\quad b=3+x_1+x_2,\quad c=4+x_1+x_2+x_3$$ with $$x_i\geq 0\quad(1\leq i\leq 3),\qquad 3x_1+2x_2+x_3=11\ .\tag{1}$$ Choosing $x_1:=0, 1, 2, 3$ in turn produces $6+5+3+2=16$ solutions of $(1)$. Each of the $16$ resulting shapes can be placed in $40$ ways, hence there are $640$ admissible triangles in all.

Answer 6

No. of scalene triangles $$= C_{20}^3-180= \frac{20\cdot 19\cdot 18}{6} - 180 = 960$$